Questions and Comments

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1. Question: When is the new northwest London elementary school going to open?

Answer: The Ministry of Education approved a new 802-pupil place elementary school in northwest London. TVDSB is currently in the process of securing land for the new school. Once land is obtained, it will take approximately 42-48 months for the school to be opened. This timing includes design, the Ministry of Education’s capital approval process, municipal approvals and construction.


2. Question: I do not want my youngest and oldest child split up for school. They should be able to go to elementary school together for the full time Kindergarten-Grade 8. Next year my daughter will be in Grade 7 and she’s going to be on a completely different campus as my Grade 1? They won’t take the bus together? Will I have to drive to two different campuses?

Answer: TVDSB has received approval from the Ministry of Education to construct an 802-pupil elementary school in northwest London. Once land is acquired, it is expected that the process to design and build the school will take approximately 42-48 months, including approvals required by the Ministry. Administration has assembled a number of options for Trustees’ consideration in the interim, given the enrolment projections for this area. 

These options include having new families who move to the area attend an alternate school until such a time that the new northwest London elementary school is open. Given the current enrolment level of Sir Arthur Currie PS, and the need to allow younger siblings of existing students to register at the school, the establishment of a fully renovated satellite campus for Grade 7 and 8 students at Sir Frederick Banting SS is also proposed as part of this process. Busing to the satellite campus will be provided. 

The options are available in a report received by the Board’s Planning and Priorities Advisory Committee on October 12 and posted on this website. The Board of Trustees will be considering this matter at its October 26 meeting.


3. Question: Why is there not consideration of rezoning the students that are being bused to Sir Arthur Currie PS? There is a bus driver shortage. This will not only alleviate some of the stress of the bus driver shortage, but also the high enrolment at SAC. 

Answer: The options under consideration to provide interim accommodations for students until the opening of a new northwest London elementary school include having new families moving into the area attend an alternate school. Key considerations in this analysis included avoiding significant student movement between schools and keeping younger siblings together at the same school. The options are available in a report that was received by the Board’s Planning and Priorities Advisory Committee on October 12 and posted on this website.


4. Comment: My comment would be to please not consider University Heights PS as a potential school to host the additional students from Sir Arthur Currie PS. University Heights does not have extra courtyard space to welcome more than one additional portable classroom. The school does not have sufficient space for more buses since it has limited street access. Moreover, this school’s playground, basketball court and soccer field are heavily used by the whole Platt’s Lane community adjacent to the school. It is a highly pedestrian school with most students coming from Platt’s Lane and surrounding streets leading to a tight knit community and a strong school spirit and identity. For all these reasons, I do not think it is a viable option to include University Heights PS as a host school in this process. 

Response: Administration has evaluated a number of schools for their potential to accommodate students from northwest London based on their proximity, capacity and available pupil places, site layout and configuration, transportation considerations as well as program and amenity spaces. The options are available in a report that was received by the Board’s Planning and Priorities Advisory Committee on October 12 and posted on this website. The Board of Trustees will be considering this matter at its October 26 meeting.


5. Comment: We don’t believe that what you informed us about relocating our children to another site near Sir Frederick Banting SS is the proper decision. You are making the families of this neighbourhood pay the price of your lack of urban planning, along with the City of London, to face the growth of our area population. We strongly believe that you and the City of London should build another school as soon as possible to accommodate the increasingly population of our area.


Response: TVDSB has received approval from the Ministry of Education to construct an 802-pupil place elementary school in northwest London. Once land is acquired, it is expected that the process to design and build the school will take approximately 42-48 months, including approvals required by the Ministry. Interim accommodation measures are required given the high enrolment at Sir Arthur Currie PS, as well as Ryerson PS, which is currently accommodating Holding Zone students from the area. The options being considered are available in a report that was received by the Board’s Planning and Priorities Advisory Committee on October 12 and posted on this website. The Board of Trustees will be considering this matter at its October 26 meeting.


6. Question: With the restructuring of Sir Arthur Currie PS the following school year, they are talking about new kindergarten pupils attending a separate school. I already have three children at SAC. Does this mean you are considering making my daughter attend a different school or will she have a legacy agreement?  

Answer: It is proposed that siblings of existing Sir Arthur Currie PS students will continue to be eligible to attend the school, which would be re-structured to a Kindergarten-Grade 6 facility. Grade 7 and 8 instruction would be provided at a newly renovated Sir Arthur Currie PS satellite campus that is separate from and located on the site of Sir Frederick Banting SS. The Board of Trustees will be considering these recommendations at its October 26 meeting.


7. Comment: Having Sir Arthur Currie PS be a Kindergarten-Grade 6 school and having Grade 7/8 students go to Sir Frederick Banting SS seems like the more ideal solution. Here is why: A new student in the area may have made friends with the neighbours and this allows them to attend the same school. It better prepared the older kids for high school (bus to school, bigger building, new place with familiar faces. etc). Older kids could better manage a longer school bus ride more than younger. New families built in this area (house building has been slow due to COVID-19 pandemic) with intentions of going to this school. Grade 7/8 students bussed elsewhere still seems fair. Not interested in having this area go to Wilfrid Jury PS at all. Sorry. Not the same comparison of a school/neighbourhood/possible peers.

Response: Administration has assembled a number of options for Trustees’ consideration. These options include having new families who move to the area attend an alternate school until such a time that the new northwest London elementary school is opened. Given the current enrolment level of Sir Arthur Currie PS, and the need to allow younger siblings of existing students to register at the school, the establishment of a fully renovated satellite campus for Grade 7 and 8 students is also proposed as part of this process. The options are available in a report that was received by the Board’s Planning and Priorities Advisory Committee on October 12 and posted on this website. The Board of Trustees will be considering this matter at its October 26 meeting.


8. Comment: I find all the recommendations plausible, but I do have to wonder why we don't find several alternatives at schools which are way under capacity and just bus the students to these places. I know people in the community will not like it but to move the Grade 7/8s out of their building is not a good option either. Section off the subdivision and put people in Holding Zones and focus on attaining the land to get a new school built.

Response: Administration has assembled a number of options for Trustees’ consideration. These options include having new families who move to the area attend an alternate school until such time that the new northwest London elementary school is opened. Given the current enrolment level of Sir Arthur Currie PS and the need to allow younger siblings of existing students to register at the school, the establishment of a fully renovated satellite campus for Grade 7 and 8 students is also proposed as part of this process. The options are available in a report that was received by the Board’s Planning and Priorities Advisory Committee on October 12 and posted on this website. The Board of Trustees will be considering this matter at its October 26 meeting.


9. Question: Please provide details about the proposed “satellite campus” at Sir Frederick Banting SS. Is the plan to put the Grade 7/8s in portables at the high school or is the school building going to be renovated to accommodate the younger grades? 

Answer: There is a separate building located on the Sir Frederick Banting SS property that is proposed to be fully renovated in order to accommodate a satellite campus for Grade 7 and 8 Sir Arthur Currie PS students. TVDSB has retained an architect to assist with the process of maximizing the number of classrooms available in this building and reduce reliance on portables. Preliminary designs for the building also include a resource room, general arts room, storage areas as well as a main office and staff room.


10. Question: Will my daughter be allowed to attend Sir Arthur Currie PS next year if I already have three sons attending the school? I'm a bit concerned about the options being presented, as this will directly impact my family and possibly split up my kids across different schools. This would really hurt my daughter having to be separated from her brothers.

Answer: It is proposed that siblings of existing Sir Arthur Currie PS students will continue to be eligible to attend the school, which would be restructured to a Kindergarten-Grade 6 facility. Grade 7 and 8 instruction would be provided at a newly renovated Sir Arthur Currie PS satellite campus that is separate from and located on the site of Sir Frederick Banting SS. The Board of Trustees will be considering these recommendations at its October 26 meeting.


11. Question: I just received information regarding new school option. I have one question regarding that my older son who has been going to Sir Arthur Currie PS for the last three years and my younger son will be join next year. So how will we pick up and drop up both my kids at different schools? It’s really hard for working parents like us. 

Answer: It is proposed that siblings of existing Sir Arthur Currie PS students will continue to be eligible to attend the school, which would be restructured as a Kindergarten-Grade 6 facility. Grade 7 and 8 instruction would be provided at a newly renovated Sir Arthur Currie PS satellite campus that is separate from and located on the site of Sir Frederick Banting SS. The Board of Trustees will be considering these recommendations at its October 26 meeting.


12. Question: My kids go to Sir Arthur Currie PS. The first one is in Grade 2, with her sister in the pre-school program and two others in the toddler program. What will be the case for my second daughter? She is joining Kindergarten in Fall 2022.

Answer: It is proposed that siblings of existing Sir Arthur Currie PS students will continue to be eligible to attend the school, which would be restructured to a Kindergarten-Grade 6 facility. Grade 7 and 8 instruction would be provided at a newly renovated Sir Arthur Currie PS satellite campus that is separate from and located on the site of Sir Frederick Banting SS. The Board of Trustees will be considering these recommendations at its October 26 meeting. 


13. Question: What will enrollment for Kindergarten look like for the following school year? Will there be an enrolment period with a cut-off date? Or no new enrolment for Kindergarten?

Answer: New families who move to the area are proposed to attend an alternate school until such a time that the new northwest London elementary school is opened. Given the current enrolment level of Sir Arthur Currie PS and the need to allow younger siblings of existing students to register at the school, Sir Arthur Currie is proposed to be restructured to a Kindergarten-Grade 6 facility with Grade 7 and 8 students attending a fully renovated satellite campus on the site of Sir Frederick Banting SS. Kindergarten registration information may be found via this link.


14. Question: Has it been considered to possibly split the two holding zones? Do Fox Hollow and Sunningdale North need to remain as one group with the same proposed plan? 

Could the Sir Arthur Currie PS zone be made smaller, eliminate the bus students that currently go to Arthur Currie? 

Although the plan is to keep siblings together, separating neighbourhood families would also be problematic.

Answer: While the Fox Hollow West and Sunningdale North holding zones are geographically separate, the options presented consider having new families in both holding zones attend the same school. The interim accommodation options being considered for managing enrolment at Sir Arthur Currie PS do not involve changing attendance area boundaries because the ultimate solution in this area is the construction of a new school. The options under consideration are intended to be temporary until the new northwest London elementary school is open.


15. Question: Why is the proposed new northwest London school being planned with only 800 student capacity? Anyone can see that development is exploding in this part of the city. It’ll be over capacity by the time it opens. You’re setting families up for another SAC-like problem four years from now. Poor planning has led to this unacceptable but completely avoidable situation. Don’t make the same mistake twice.

Answer: The new northwest London elementary school was approved by the Ministry of Education to accommodate 802 students. TVDSB actively monitors enrolment across all of our schools in order to ensure sufficient spaces are available for our students. The development activity that is occurring in this part of London is significant. Should the enrolment growth substantiate the need for further capital investment, TVDSB will seek additional funding from the Ministry.


16. Question: One of the recommendations is that all new students (Kindergarten to Grade 8) start attending a different school. I currently have a daughter in Sir Arthur Currie PS. My son will be in kindergarten next year. Will he be able to attend Sir Arthur Currie or am I going to have two kids in two different schools? I need both to attend Sir Arthur Currie.

Answer: It is proposed that siblings of existing Sir Arthur Currie PS students will continue to be eligible to attend the school, which would be re-structured to a Kindergarten-Grade 6 facility. Grade 7 and 8 instruction would be provided at a newly renovated Sir Arthur Currie PS satellite campus that is separate from and located on the site of Sir Frederick Banting SS. The Board of Trustees will be considering these recommendations at its October 26 meeting.


17. Question: What resources will grade 7 and 8 students have access to at the satellite campus?

Answer: Attending a satellite campus on the site of Sir Frederick Banting SS would offer considerable benefits to grade 7 and 8 students as they prepare to transition to secondary school in grade 9. The Sir Frederick Banting site has extensive outdoor space, including a large field in close proximity to the planned Sir Arthur Currie satellite school.  Sir Frederick Banting SS currently has three gymnasiums.  A gym at Banting will be used by Sir Arthur Currie PS students for indoor Physical Education. Sir Frederick Banting also has a newly renovated Library Learning Commons. Grade 7 and 8 students from the Sir Arthur Currie satellite school would have scheduled and ongoing access to this space.  Resources from the Sir Arthur Currie Library would follow the students to the satellite school to ensure that there are appropriate books for students. Instruments from Sir Arthur Currie would follow students to the satellite site as well.  There may also be opportunities for collaboration in music with classes at Sir Frederick Banting if COVID-19 restrictions are lifted. French instruction will be provided at the satellite campus and all accompanying resources will be available to students.  


18. Question: Will the Sir Arthur Currie satellite campus have a school administrator on-site?

Answer: Currently, Sir Arthur Currie PS has one Principal and two Vice-Principals.  One of the VPs would be assigned to work on-site at the Sir Arthur Currie satellite campus.  The Principal's office would be at the original school, but the Principal would frequently attend the satellite school in order to support the VP.


19. Question: When is the new northwest London elementary school going to open?

Answer: The Ministry of Education approved a new 802-pupil place elementary school in northwest London. TVDSB is currently in the process of securing land for the new school. Once land is obtained, it will take approximately 42-48 months for the school to be opened. This timing includes design, the Ministry of Education’s capital approval process, municipal approvals and construction.


20. Comment: Currently, there are about 8 parking spots for University Heights, and pick up and drop off times are mayhem. I don’t think this is a fair year to judge the school capacity as lots of students went virtual and may not next year. There simply isn’t the space to hold extra students. 

Response: Many of our schools in northwest London are either approaching or are over their intended capacities due to the development activity and migration to this area of London. Two options have been proposed for temporarily accommodating new families moving into the Sir Arthur Currie PS attendance area: one that includes a proximal school (University Heights PS) as well as a school that has more surplus space but is located further away from the attendance area (Knollwood Park PS). The permanent student accommodation solution for this area of the City is a new school that has been approved by the Ministry of Education. TVDSB is working as expeditiously as possible in order to secure a site and commence construction of the new school.


21. Comment: I am currently attending the Adult ESL program at Banting Annex school in person. I was very upset when I heard that we can not attend school in person any more ! I prefer to stay in person at Banting because it's very close to where I live and I have a 15 month daughter who is attending daycare, If we switch to online or to a far school, I will be staying home with no ESL classes and my infant would also stay home, and that would have a very negative impact on my family and my feelings. 

I hope that you take these issues into consideration and continue to offer in person classes at Banting school for adult ESL.

Response: We certainly understand what a difficult transition this will be for some of our English language learners. Understandably, a shift to online learning is not preferred for all learners. We have added an additional class at B. Davison and are hoping to free up a few daycare spots at that site to accommodate those who require childcare. In addition, we will have onsite support every Wednesday evening at Banting Secondary School from 4:00 to 7:00 PM to support online learners who require a regular in-person check-in with the teacher.

As we look ahead to September, we are exploring the option of renting space near Banting to resume in-person instruction in that area, however obtaining such space is difficult.

The team at Adult ESL will assist you in selecting a program that will best meet your needs given these circumstances.


22. Question: Has it been considered to possibly split the two holding zones? Do Fox Hollow and Sunningdale North need to remain as one group with the same proposed plan? Could the Arthur Currie zone be made smaller, eliminate the bus students that currently go to Arthur Currie? Although the plan is to keep siblings together, separating neighbourhood families would also be problematic. 

Answer: While the Fox Hollow West and Sunningdale North holding zones are geographically separate, the options presented consider having new families in both holding zones attend the same school. The interim accommodation options being considered for managing enrolment at Sir Arthur Currie PS do not involve changing attendance area boundaries because the ultimate solution in this area is the construction of a new school. The options under consideration are intended to be temporary until the new northwest London elementary school is open.


23. Question: Why does A. Currie zone not stop at Wonderland on the north side as it does in the south side? Why is Sunningdale North not Masonville PS zone?

Answer: School boundaries are established based on a number of factors, including existing and projected enrolment, anticipated development activity, locations of natural and human-made features, neighbourhood geography, attendance area sizes and locations of existing schools and their associated boundaries. 

Sunningdale North is a holding zone in north central London. Due to the unavailability of pupil spaces in north central London, this holding zone was included as part of TVDSB’s business case for a new school in northwest London. The approval of that business case by the Ministry of Education was for the purpose of providing enrolment pressure relief at Sir Arthur Currie PS as well as providing accommodation to both the Sunningdale North and Fox Hollow West holding zones.


24. Question: I know for my own family and many others, it very important to have our children at the same school. My son helps take care of his younger sibling. With older siblings now being at a separate location many families will have to look for childcare. You are giving families less than a year notice. If I have to drop off/ pick up my children, I now have to go to 2 separate locations. What if I have to drive my children because bus is not an option for us? I can’t be in 2 locations at once so will one always have to be late? Will the start and end times remain the same? How will the Banting location students have gym, library, recess? Is there a safe area for children that young to have recess? How often will these students be around the main population of Banting students? How is it fair grade 7&8s have to be separated from their school building? May not be a memorable experience for them. Why not make this new campus for new enrolments until a new school is built? Why make those already enrolled move?

Answer: New families who move to the area are proposed to attend an alternate school until such a time that the new northwest London elementary school is opened. Given the current enrolment level of Sir Arthur Currie PS and the need to allow younger siblings of existing students to register at the school, Sir Arthur Currie is proposed to be restructured to a Kindergarten – Grade 6 facility with Grade 7 and 8 students attending a fully renovated satellite campus on the site of Sir Frederick Banting SS. Start and end times will be the same for the satellite and the main Sir Arthur Currie PS sites. Students will have a similar timetable as they would have had at Sir Arthur Currie, which will include library, gym and recess. Grade 7 and 8 students will have a dedicated play area at the satellite site for recess. The Grade 7 and 8 students will be on a different timetable than the Banting students. The only interaction that the Grade 7 and 8s may have with the Banting students will be when they access the Gym and Learning Commons at Banting under the supervision of their teachers.


25. Comment and Questions: Four questions based on the map included for Appendix B on the Accommodation Options and Holding Zones report.

1. Why is Sunningdale North a holding zone for Sir Arthur Currie and not Masonville? 
2. Why was there a cost estimate for bussing but not for renovation of a building? 
3. The areas indicated by addresses 2095 Coronation Drive and 1801 Hyde Park Road should really be aligned with Emily Carr or Wilfrid Jury. When will they be?
4. For Banting students in the neighbourhood not eligible for bussing, will they be able to "hitch a ride" with the grade 7 and 8 students?

Three comments on these recommendations.
1. Intermediate school at Banting is pretty much a done deal, it was easy to establish with the rendering included. Assume this will be a similar set up as in the city of Stratford. 
2. Having Sunningdale North in this catchment area should not be continued. Geographically it would make more sense to be included in Masonville's and have University Heights as their holding school.
3. If Louise Arbour French Immersion were closer to this area I am sure parents may have changed to that school. And I assume that is why the French Immersion schools were located on the map.

Response: Thank you for your email and comments. Please see below for responses to your questions:

  1. Sunningdale North is a holding zone in north central London. This holding zone pre-dates the construction of Sir Arthur Currie PS. Due to the unavailability of pupil spaces in north central London, this holding zone was included as part of TVDSB’s business case for a new school in northwest London. The approval of that business case by the Ministry of Education was for the purpose of providing enrolment pressure relief at Sir Arthur Currie PS as well as providing accommodation to both the Sunningdale North and Fox Hollow West holding zones. 
  2. TVDSB is in the preliminary stages of developing a scope of work for the renovations and thus the costs for the work are still being determined.
  3. The properties at 2095 Coronation Drive and 1801 Hyde Park Road are designated to attend Sir Arthur Currie PS. There are no plans to assign these areas to Emily Carr PS or Wilfrid Jury PS. TVDSB is planning to initiate an attendance area review in London later this Fall that includes the establishment of a new attendance area for the northwest elementary school that was approved by the Ministry of Education. The attendance area review will involve a further public consultation process.
  4. Transportation eligibility for Sir Frederick Banting secondary school students would not change as a result of the introduction of a grade 7 and 8 satellite campus for Sir Arthur Currie PS. Student Transportation Services’ transportation eligibility policy may be found here.

26. Question: I have a son in grade 6 and a daughter in grade 3. I know the satellite school will accommodate the current grade 6/7 kids next year (approximately 3 classes of each) but what about classes 3-4 years down the line? The cohorts from my daughter's class are much larger and have been moving up the grades through the years. What will happen if the 'new' grade 7/8 classes don't fit in this satellite location in the future? 

Also, with this being a remote location from SAC, does that mean that specialty teachers, music, French languages etc. will be travelling from SAC to the remote location to teach and then back again? 
Lastly, what additional options were discussed but left out of the final recommendations? What options are we *not* hearing about? For example, was it ever considered to move the kindergarten grades to a remote location where they are typically self-sufficient anyway? Blended JK/SK (or K1/K2) classes rarely need admin on hand for their daily routines. Yet, grade 7/8 classes certainly need an admin on hand for issues that arise at that grade level. I'm happy to know that a full time admin will be assigned to the satellite location at least. 

Answer: There is a separate building located on the Sir Frederick Banting SS property that is proposed to be fully renovated in order to accommodate a satellite campus for Grade 7 and 8 Sir Arthur Currie PS students. TVDSB has retained an architect to assist with the process of maximizing the number of classrooms available in this building and reduce reliance on portables. The satellite campus will include space for portables in order to ensure that all future grade 7 and 8 students are accommodated at the same location until the new northwest London elementary school is open. Regarding the specialty classes, there is the potential that speciality teachers may teach at both the main and satellite Sir Arthur Currie PS sites. This is the same as the current practice of teachers having assignments at different sites depending upon their teaching allocation.

The reason that grade 7 and 8 students are recommended to move is due to their subsequent transition to secondary school. Utilizing Sir Frederick Banting Secondary School’s amenities would be best suited for older students, who would have ongoing access to the school’s gym, Library Learning Commons and outdoor amenities. 

Currently, Sir Arthur Currie PS has one Principal and two Vice-Principals.  One of the VPs would be assigned to work on-site at the Sir Arthur Currie satellite campus.  The Principal's office would be at the original school, but the Principal would frequently attend the satellite school in order to support the VP.


27. Question: As a parent whose children attend University Heights school I have a few concerns about the incoming buses and portables to make room for Sir Arthur Currie students. UH in a very small school. We already have traffic issues. There is only one short road that leads to the school with minimal street parking. It is unclear how this area can have sufficient room for more than one or two buses. There is also limited parking at the school. The teachers' parking lot is small and often the teachers use the visitor parking which only has 14 spots. Due to limited parking, most children walk, bike, or scoot to school. The increase in vehicle traffic will make this option less safe for our kids. Another issue is that the school only has one soccer field, a playground and a small tarmac. There appears to be room for only one more portable at the school and this will greatly decrease the play area and area for the kids to line up for the bell. Finally, even though UH has had a decrease in enrollment during the covid years, my understanding that it is an artefact of covid. This year, UH has had a higher than average number of students opting for online learning. I was told it was approximately 40 students. When these students return to in person, this will increase our enrollment above capacity. It should also be noted that UH has many students from the Platt's Lane community which is a family residence for students who are attending Western from abroad. Due to Covid there have been less international students able to attend Western due to restrictions on visas. This should improve in the next year and there will be an influx of international students returning to Western with their families, increasing enrollment at UH. We are currently at 90% capacity. It is likely by September we will be over capacity before including the incoming Sir Arthur Currie students.

Answer: Many of our schools in northwest London are either approaching or are over their intended capacities due to the development activity and migration to this area of London. Administration has evaluated a number of schools for their potential to accommodate students from northwest London based on their proximity, capacity and available pupil places, site layout and configuration, transportation considerations as well as program and amenity spaces. Two options have been proposed for temporarily accommodating new families moving into the Sir Arthur Currie PS attendance area: one that includes a proximal school (University Heights PS) as well as a school that has more surplus space but is located further away from the attendance area (Knollwood Park PS). These options are temporary as the permanent student accommodation solution for this area of the City is a new school that has been approved by the Ministry of Education.


28. Question: Can a floor plan of the Banting Annex be provided to give parents a sense of the space their children will be learning in? 

Answer: TVDSB has retained an architect in order to assist with the preliminary design for the renovation. Once a decision regarding interim accommodations for students is made by Trustees, detailed plans will be prepared with input from school administration at Sir Arthur Currie PS.


29. Question: I have read the recent news article about some of the proposed changes to Sir Arthur Currie, one of which being that there will be no new enrolment. We moved to this neighbourhood just over a year ago specifically for the school district. What I am looking for is your reassurance that my child will be able to attend the school we sought out for her in our great community.

Regarding your community involvement, is there any way to bring up the re-zoning of school districts as a whole?
This would mean re-adjust zoning lines based on student population and school capacities.

Answer: TVDSB has received approval from the Ministry of Education to construct an 802-pupil elementary school in northwest London. Once land is acquired, it is expected that the process to design and build the school will take approximately 42-48 months. Enrolment in this part of our district is significant. Sir Arthur Currie PS was designed for 533 students and is currently accommodating 995 pupils, with enrolment growth projected to continue. As a result, Administration has assembled a number of interim accommodation options for Trustees’ consideration until such a time that the new school opens. 

These options include having new families in the Sir Arthur Currie PS attendance area attend an alternate school until such a time that the new northwest London elementary school is open. Given the current enrolment level of Sir Arthur Currie PS, and the need to allow younger siblings of existing students to register at the school, the establishment of a fully renovated satellite campus for Grade 7 and 8 Sir Arthur Currie PS students is also proposed as part of this process.

The options are available in a report received by the Board’s Planning and Priorities Advisory Committee on October 12th. The report may be accessed here. The Board of Trustees will be considering this matter at its October 26th meeting.

Please note that TVDSB is also planning to initiate an attendance area review in London later this Fall that includes the establishment of a new attendance area for the northwest elementary school that was approved by the Ministry of Education. The attendance area review will involve a further public consultation process.


30. Comment: Reconsideration is needed with regards to the children at the onsite childcare without siblings at SAC. Childcare has the accurate numbers of children who would enter JK that live within the catchment area. Parents most likely chose this childcare with the hope that the transition to school would be easier due to familiarity of surroundings. 

Has anyone at the board considered that onsite childcare is a part of school communities? 

Response: We appreciate that parents may have selected the child care facility at Sir Arthur Currie PS in order to ease their children’s transition to elementary school. The school is facing considerable enrolment pressure, with 995 students attending a facility that was constructed to accommodate 533 students. The interim accommodation measures being proposed would be in place until such a time that the new approved northwest London elementary school is open, at which point students in the area would attend their community school.


31. Question: In the town hall the timeline for the new school is still being given at 48 months max. Is that worst case scenario considering the city assisted with and voted on a land acquisition deal that was estimated to cut that timeframe in half? When funding was received last fall was expropriation considered on either of the two parcels of land that both this and the separate board passed on?

Answer: TVDSB is currently in the process of securing land for the new school. Discussions with a developer are ongoing in this regard. Once land is obtained, it will take approximately 42-48 months for the school to be opened. This timing includes design, the Ministry of Education’s capital approval process, municipal approvals and construction. TVDSB has been searching for land in northwest London since receiving approval for the school from the Ministry of Education. Expropriation is a tool that is available to school boards and it is used when there are no alternative ways to acquire land.


32. Comment and Question: I’m writing first of to say I’m not pleased with the options for Sir Arthur Currie. School community is huge part of the enjoyment of school and yet you're going to move the 7/8 in their last years. The last couple years have been all over the place for these poor kids and now you want to place them in a makeshift school at Banting .

Both of my kids have been at Sir Arthur Currie since it opened and now they will be separated, and instead of walking 2 minutes to school he will have to walk to take a bus. Which also results in now having to find alternate care for my daughter in the mornings .
Who will be supervising the grade 7/8’s ?
I do not want them immersed with high school students or to be wandering over to Sherwood Forest mall.
Will they be able to do extracurricular activities ?
Will they be using Banting’s gym? Bathrooms?

Answer: There is a separate building located on the Sir Frederick Banting SS property that is proposed to be fully renovated in order to accommodate a satellite campus for Grade 7 and 8 Sir Arthur Currie PS students, which will include washrooms. Start and end times will be the same for the satellite and the main Sir Arthur Currie PS sites. Students will have a similar timetable as they would have had at Sir Arthur Currie, which will include library, gym and recess. Grade 7 and 8 students will have a dedicated play area at the satellite site for recess. The Grade 7 and 8 students will be on a different timetable than the Banting students. The only interaction that the Grade 7 and 8s may have with the Banting students will be when they access the Gym and Learning Commons at Banting under the supervision of their teachers. Students at the satellite campus will be able to participate in extracurricular activities, subject to any ongoing restrictions from the current pandemic. Opportunities may also be available to use the facilities available at the secondary school for extracurricular activities.


33. Question:  Can you please provide explanation of the data given in Appendix B. What exactly does “estimated pupil yields” refer to and for what time frame? 

How many students are currently enrolled in each of grades 4, 5, 6, 7 at SAC? 
Does the committee have data on how many younger siblings of current SAC students are expected to enrol over the next several years and how was that data collected?
Assuming “option 1-administration’s preferred approach” (SAC as a k-6 school for existing families only) is implemented what is the expected total enrolment at SAC for each of the next 4 years? 

Answers: 

  1. “Estimated Pupil Yields” refers to the approximate number of students expected from the new development areas identified in Appendix B over the period of time that it takes each development to be completed.
  2. Currently, there are 106 grade 4 students, 91 grade 5 students, 92 grade 6 students and 92 grade 7 students registered at Sir Arthur Currie PS.
  3. In total, we expect approximately 100 JK students in 2022-2023, 120 JK students in 2023-2024, 127 JK students in 2024-2025 and 135 JK students in 2025-2026. We are anticipating that a sizeable percentage of these students will be siblings of current Sir Arthur Currie PS students. We do not know exactly how many of those students are siblings of current pupils because they are not currently registered with TVDSB.
  4. Sir Arthur Currie PS was designed for 533 students and is currently accommodating 995 pupils. The new northwest London elementary school that has been approved by the Ministry of Education will take approximately 42-48 months to design and construct once a school site is secured. As such, a number of interim accommodation options have been prepared for Trustees’ consideration. These options include having new families who move to the area attend an alternate school until such a time that the new northwest London elementary school is opened, with University Heights PS or Knollwood Park PS being identified as possible schools to accommodate students. Given the need to reduce the current enrolment level of Sir Arthur Currie PS and the need to allow younger siblings of existing students to register at the school, the establishment of a fully renovated satellite campus for Grade 7 and 8 students is also proposed as part of this process. The resulting enrolment at the main Sir Arthur Currie PS site in subsequent years would be determined by the number of siblings of current students who register at the school.

34. Question: University Heights will be over capacity if it is chosen as the school to accommodate additional students. This will move a problem from one place (Sir Arthur Currie) to another (University Heights), and this problem will only grow with further influx of an unpredictable number new students over the coming years as the new school is constructed. Knollwood Park is well under capacity and is much better positioned to accommodate additional students, providing a better interim solution to the problem with a small additional (12 minute) travel time cost. I hope that the Knollwood Park option can be reconsidered as it will better utilize the infrastructure we already have and is a more sustainable solution during the time frame of the construction of the new school.

Answer: Many of our schools in northwest London are either approaching or are over their intended capacities due to the development activity and migration to this area of London. Two options have been proposed for temporarily accommodating new families moving into the Sir Arthur Currie PS attendance area: one that includes a proximal school (University Heights PS) as well as a school that has more surplus space but is located further away from the attendance area (Knollwood Park PS). 


35. Question: Are other options being considered? There is a viable plan that works without students being bused out of Sir Arthur Currie if we can actually stop new registrations.

Answer: School boards can change school boundaries through an attendance area review process and this is often the most practical way to balance enrolment. These options were explored. An attendance area review for this particular planning area would not effectively resolve the enrolment pressure as surrounding schools are already operating near or above capacity. The ultimate solution to the growing student population here is a new school. TVDSB received approval for the new school from the Ministry of Education and is in the process of finding a site. The approved elementary school will take approximately 42-48 months to design and construct once a school site is secured. As such, a number of interim accommodation options have been prepared for Trustees’ consideration. These options include having new families who move to the area attend an alternate school until such a time that the new northwest London elementary school is opened, with University Heights PS or Knollwood Park PS being identified as possible schools to accommodate students. Given the need to reduce the current enrolment level of Sir Arthur Currie PS and the need to allow younger siblings of existing students to register at the school, the establishment of a fully renovated satellite campus for Grade 7 and 8 students is also proposed as part of this process.


36. Question: Will enrolment at University Heights PS exceed the school’s capacity after accepting new students from the Sir Arthur Currie PS attendance area? 

Answer: The projected enrolment that would result at University Heights would put the school over capacity. However, the interim accommodation of new families from northwest London at alternate schools would not be permanent. TVDSB received approval to construct a new elementary school in northwest London in order to provide student accommodation in this part of the City. 


37. Question: How are we preventing the new northwest school from going over capacity as Sir Arthur Currie has? Sounds like that process will be too little too late and we will repeat this.

Answer: TVDSB is actively monitoring all development applications across our district and will be submitting future business cases to the Ministry of Education for new capital investment in this part of the City if it becomes necessary to do so.


38. Question: It will take close to 5 years for the new school to be built. That is quite a long time and hardly warrants a temporary satellite location. The proposed solution will cause a lot of student movement and more buses on the road. Kids that can see the school from their backyard will be bused so that kids that live even further away can be bused to Sir Arthur Currie. Is there any chance that a boundary review is still possible?

Answer: Boundary changes involving existing schools in this particular planning area would not effectively resolve the enrolment pressure as surrounding schools are already operating near or above capacity. The ultimate solution to the growing student population here is a new school. TVDSB will be undertaking an attendance area review in London, which will include the creation of an attendance area for the new school. Unfortunately, interim accommodation measures are required because the new school will not be open for a number of years and enrollment at Sir Arthur Currie as well as the holding zones is projected to continue increasing. 


39. Question: Can you provide the enrolment forecast at Sir Arthur Currie and the holding school until the new school is built?

Answer:

Status Quo Project Enrolment
School/Year On the Ground Capacity 2022 2023 2024 2025 2026
Sir Arthur Currie PS 533 1057 1179 1301 1418 1512
Ryerson PS 438 661 782 849 897 935

 


40. Question: Was there any consideration given to renovating the Sir Arthur Currie family centre and daycare into classrooms? Are there budgetary concerns here?

Answer: As part of the approval of Sir Arthur Currie PS , the Ministry of Education provided funding for the construction of the family centre and child care facility. We are not able to renovate that space for classrooms.


41. Question: Sir Arthur Currie PS opened in 2017 and has been increasingly over capacity since then. What took so long to take up the initiative to build another school?

Answer: The business case for a new school in northwest London was submitted to the Ministry of Education in 2019 and subsequently approved in the Fall of 2020. TVDSB has been working to secure land since the approval of the school and will start construction as expeditiously as possible once the site is acquired.


42. Question: With the new solution in place, what would the portable classroom situation at Sir Arthur Currie look like?

Answer:. Once a new school is constructed, the number of portables needed to accommodate students in northwest London will decrease. For the interim accommodation solution that includes the creation of a satellite campus for grade 7 and 8 students as well as new families attending an alternate school, the main Sir Arthur Currie PS site is expected to require approximately 12 portables in 2022-2023.


43. Question: What measures are in place to make sure students registering at Sir Arthur Currie PS reside within the school’s attendance area?

Answer: The staff at Sir Arthur Currie PS review every registration that comes into the school to ensure that every address is located within the Sir Arthur Currie attendance area. We ask families whose addresses are not in the boundary to attend their home school. 


44. Question: Is it possible to figure out boundaries now, so we know which children should be sent to Sir Arthur Currie and which children should go to other sites?

Answer: As part of the London Attendance Area Review, we will be bringing recommendations to Trustees regarding the establishment of an attendance area for the new school, which will result in boundary changes for Sir Arthur Currie PS. However, interim accommodation measures are required because the new school will not be open for a number of years and enrollment at Sir Arthur Currie as well as the holding zones is projected to continue increasing. These interim accommodation measures do not include boundary changes but instead propose to convert Sir Arthur Currie PS to a K-6 school, the creation of a satellite campus for grade 7 and 8 students and having new families to the area attend an alternate school; all until the new northwest London elementary school opens.


45. Question: Is it possible to stop enrollment to Sir Arthur Currie now, and send kids to other schools if they enroll over the rest of the year (except for siblings)? That would lower enrolment numbers and allow the 7's and 8's to stay and keep the school JK-8.

Answer: This option was also considered. JK enrolment at Sir Arthur Currie PS is projected to continue increasing. In order to accommodate siblings and reduce enrolment at the school, creating a grade 7 and 8 satellite campus is recommended. 


46. Question: It was said that TVDSB didn't want to split siblings but isn't the creation of a satellite campus for grade 7 and 8 students doing exactly that? If two siblings are currently walk to Sir Arthur Currie PS together, at this time next year one would walk while the other would be bused to another school.

Answer: Our preference is to not split siblings. However, in order to keep younger siblings together, the establishment of a satellite campus for Grade 7 and 8 students is recommended as the older student would be transitioning to the adjacent secondary school for Grade 9.


47. Question: Was Centennial Central PS considered for accepting additional students? Is the school at capacity?

Answer: Centennial Central PS was considered for providing interim accommodation for students and the school is also at capacity. Centennial Central PS is serviced by a private septic system, which limits the number of students that could be accommodated at the site. 


48. Question: Is Banting going to be able to accommodate Sir Arthur Currie PS students in the future when they move to high school? What is the plan going forward around having sufficient secondary school spaces?

Answer: TVDSB is currently in the process of reviewing all attendance areas in the City of London, including for schools in the both the elementary and secondary panels. There are enrolment pressures across our secondary schools as well. Administration will be providing a report for Trustees’ consideration to address the enrolment pressure in the secondary panel in order to ensure that there are sufficient spaces across the City for all of our students. 


49. Question: What support will be offered to University Heights PS in order to help with the new enrolment?

Answer: If there are additional students, TVDSB would be adding additional staff. We will ensure that all of our students’ needs are supported.


50. Question: Will the renovated satellite campus fit future cohorts that may have larger numbers of students than is expected for 2022-2023? How many students will the satellite campus accommodate?

Answer: TVDSB is currently in the preliminary design stage for the renovation of the building and are working with an architect to maximize the number of classrooms in the renovated space. The detailed design would be completed following Trustees’ decision in this matter. The area proposed to house the satellite campus is large and could accommodate portables if it becomes necessary to add these to the site.


51. Question: Would there be additional staff/monitors for watching the school/high-school students to make sure they are separate?

What will LST, ESL, secretarial support etc. and EA positions look like at the satellite school?

Who will deal with late arrivals and early dismissals? Who will supervise the yard?

Answer: The satellite campus would operate as a school and there would be a Vice Principal and secretarial staff on site. Outdoor supervision will be provided.

English Second Language (ESL), Educational Assistant (EA) and Learning Support Teacher (LST) allocation is done according to the number of students at a school and their needs. That process would remain the same for the satellite campus. 


53. Question: How long will the Banting satellite campus be used for the Grade 7 & 8 students?

Answer: TVDSB is in discussions with a developer in order to acquire a site for the new northwest London elementary school. Once that site is acquired, it is expected that the school will take approximately 42-48 months to open, which includes design, the Ministry of Education’s capital approval process, municipal approvals and construction. Once the school is open, students in northwest London will be accommodated at either Sir Arthur Currie PS or the new school. 


54. Question: Could grade 7 and 8s be bumped from Banting if its population grows more and the space is needed?

Answer: The proposal would maintain the renovated satellite campus for grade 7 and 8 students until the new northwest London elementary school opens. 


55. Question: We also need to consider kids who are in child care facility located in the Sir Arthur Currie school building and whether they’ll be considered as existing families even if they don’t have any siblings at the school.

Answer: Those students who are currently enrolled at Sir Arthur Currie PS would be eligible to have siblings attend. The school is facing considerable enrolment pressure, with 995 students attending a facility that was constructed to accommodate 533 students. The interim accommodation measures being proposed would be in place until such a time that the new approved northwest London elementary school is open, at which point students in the area would attend their community school.


56. Question: How are the grade 7 and 8 students going to be involved in school events such as assemblies, and special activity days where the whole school participates?

Answer: These specifics would be determined by the school Principal with a goal of involving grade 7 and 8 students in these school events whenever possible.


57. Question: My two daughters currently get bussed to Ryerson. I was told that they would not be moved when they were enrolled. Is this still the case? Do children who currently attend Ryerson in the holding zone have to move to a different school?

Answer: Holding zone students currently attending Ryerson PS are not proposed to be moved to another school at this time. Once a new elementary school opens in northwest London, students from the Fox Hollow West and Sunningdale North holding zones will be accommodated at the new school or Sir Arthur Currie PS. 


58. Comment: I do not agree on overcrowding the school, as it’s already overwhelmed with the COVID-19  situation . . .  and it will become very difficult if the COVID-19  situation becomes worse in our area.

Response: Many of the schools in northwest London are either approaching or are over their intended capacities and alternate accommodations are necessary until a new school is opened. Two options have been proposed for temporarily accommodating new families moving into the Sir Arthur Currie PS attendance area: 1) at a nearby school (University Heights PS) or 2) at school that has more surplus space but is located further away from the attendance area (Knollwood Park PS).


59. Question: Makes no sense why you would send the overflow students to University Heights PS when the other school is only at 53 per cent capacity. Our school is already small and with all these extra kids the resources will be stretched thin. Can the school effectively house all these extra students? Have you seen the size of their gym? 

It's an extra 12 minute bus ride. That's one of the reason for doing this? Are you really thinking about the kids or just the bottom line?

Answer: Many of our schools in northwest London are either approaching or are over their intended capacities due to the development activity and migration to this area of London.  Two options have been proposed for temporarily accommodating new families moving into the Sir Arthur Currie PS attendance area: 1) at a nearby school (University Heights PS) or 2) at school that has more surplus space but is located further away from the attendance area (Knollwood Park PS).


60. Question: I respect that the current proposal could cause many families to be inconvenienced in 2022 by the "temporary" shuffle, but there will be a major impact to all families once the new school is built and there are new attendance areas for Sir Arthur Currie PS and the new elementary school. Could there be consideration to changing boundaries for those families on the periphery of the Sir Arthur Currie PS attendance area in order to provide them with stability over the next three to four years?

Answer:  Attendance area changes involving existing schools in this particular planning area would not effectively resolve the enrolment pressure as surrounding schools are already operating near or above capacity. The ultimate solution to the growing student population here is a new school. TVDSB will be undertaking an attendance area review in London, which will include the creation of an attendance area for the new school. Interim accommodation measures have been recommended because the new school will not  open for a number of years and enrolment at Sir Arthur Currie, as well as the holding zones, is projected to continue increasing.


61. Question: What is the plan for a new secondary school in northwest London? Is Sir Frederick Banting SS able to support Sir Arthur Currie PS and the new school as feeder schools in five to 10 years?

Answer: Enrolment pressures exist across our secondary schools, and TVDSB is currently in the process of reviewing attendance areas across the City of London in the both the elementary and secondary panels. Administration will be providing a report for Trustees’ consideration to address the enrolment pressure in the secondary panel in order to ensure that there are sufficient spaces across the city for all of our students.


62. Comment: An additional concern surrounds the children who attend the unaffiliated daycare centre within the Sir Arthur Currie PS building. Once SAC enrolment is closed to new families, the rule of siblings must also apply to the daycare children. For example, a child at the daycare, but without older siblings already enrolled at SAC by 2021-2022, should not be permitted to enroll at SAC. Otherwise, we have once again ended up with an avenue through which too many “new” families are enrolled at SAC and the pressure is not relieved.

Response: Those students who are currently enrolled at Sir Arthur Currie PS would be eligible to have siblings attend. The interim accommodation measures being proposed would be in place until such a time that the new approved northwest London elementary school is open, at which point students in the area would attend their community school. 


63. Comment: The overcrowding of Sir Arthur Currie PS is not a new issue in the last one to two years. Since built in 2017 the school was not large enough to support the expanded growth of northwest London. The proposed plan is for one year and does not clearly detail the plan for the next two to four years until a new school is built, or what this transition looks like. Preventing new enrollment at SAC keeps SAC enrolment under control but places the stress on other schools. Based on the proposal the new northwest London school for 802 students is barely large enough to serve the population. SAC of 533 + new school for 802 = = 1335 students. This is 100 per cent OTG (on the ground) capacity based on the current projected enrollment in four years and does not take into account any new lands developed in northwest London increasing the population projection. I would predict that we are going to have the exact same conversation in six years that the two schools are over crowded again.

Response: The ultimate solution to the growing student population in northwest London is the opening of a new school. TVDSB will be undertaking an attendance area review in London, which will include the creation of an attendance area for the new school. Interim accommodation measures are required because the new school will not be open for a number of years and enrollment at Sir Arthur Currie PS, as well as the holding zones, is projected to continue to increase. TVDSB actively monitors enrolment across all of its schools in order to ensure sufficient space is available for  students. The residential development activity that is occurring in this part of London is significant. Should the enrolment growth substantiate the need for further capital investment in schools, TVDSB will seek additional funding from the Ministry of Education.


64. Question: Are there other grades from Sir Arthur Currie PS also being considered for a move to the satellite campus (e.g. Grade 6 students)?

Answer: The fully renovated satellite campus would consist of Grade 7 and 8 students only, with Sir Arthur Currie PS converted to a Kindergarten-Grade 6 school.


65. Question: What will access to the library for Grade 7 and 8 students look like at the satellite campus?

Answer: Sir Frederick Banting SS is located on the same site as the proposed Sir Arthur Currie PS satellite campus. Banting has a newly renovated Library Learning Commons, to which Grade 7 and 8 students would have ongoing access. Resources for students would also be brought directly to the satellite campus from the main Sir Arthur Currie site. Additional resources would be purchased, as required.


66. Question: Since there is already a bus driver shortage, are there any foreseen issues with adding buses?

Answer: Student Transportation Services is aware of the options under consideration and will be working to ensure transportation is available for students once a decision is made by Trustees.


67. Question: How are you dealing with future capacity issues? In four years, it looks like both Sir Arthur Currie PS and the new northwest London elementary school will be overcapacity.

Answer: The new northwest London elementary school was approved by the Ministry of Education to accommodate 802 students. TVDSB actively monitors enrolment across all of our schools to ensure sufficient space is available for students. The residential development activity that is occurring in this part of London is significant. Should the enrolment growth substantiate the need for further capital investment in schools, TVDSB will seek additional funding from the Ministry.


68. Question: What is the rationale for sending students to University Heights PS when Knollwood Park PS is at 53 per cent utilization? I assume it is transportation time. What is the difference in transportation time between the two schools?

Answer: The rationale for recommending University Heights PS is due to its proximity to the Sir Arthur Currie PS attendance area, being approximately 20 minutes away. Knollwood Park is approximately 32 minutes away. Administration provided two options for Trustees’ consideration: 1) a school that is closer to Sir Arthur Currie (University Heights PS) and 2) a school that has more available space (Knollwood Park PS).


69. Question: What about sports coming back? How would that look for games, etc. for Grade 7 and 8 students? Where will these be held?

Answer: The students would continue to play at Sir Arthur Currie PS or a school that is hosting them, as they currently do. There may also be opportunities to utilize the facilities available at Sir Frederick Banting SS.


70. Question: What will happen with the existing population studying ESL presently within the building proposed to be used for the satellite campus at Sir Frederick Banting SS – which also has  daycare for children of ESL students?

Answer: At this time, the interim plan for existing ESL students will be to transition to an online learning platform. Understanding that this learning model isn’t viable for all of  learners, TVDSB  will add an additional class at B. Davison SS , along with some daycare  to accommodate ESL students  who require childcare. TVDSB is also adding space at GA Wheable Adult and Continuing Education School. The team that oversees the adult ESL program will also be working to secure classroom space in the vicinity of the existing program.


71. Question: Do you have an estimate as to the number of students who would come to University Heights PS; and would this put University Heights overcapacity?

Answer: The capacity of University Heights PS is 346 students. The growth that would result at University Heights PS would exceed the capacity of the school and would need to be accommodated in portables, with utilization reaching approximately 161 per cent over the projection horizon.


72. Question: Would Grade 7 and 8 students be bused from the satellite location to the main Sir Arthur Currie PS site for sports home games?

Answer: This option would be available. In addition, consideration will be given to utilize the facilities available at Sir Frederick Banting SS for sports activities for Grade 7 and 8 students.


73. Question: Will students who have Ryerson PS as their home school, but are currently learning remotely due to the pandemic, be eligible to return to their school next year?

Answer: Ryerson PS students who are currently learning remotely will be eligible attend their home school when they return from remote learning.


74. Question: Will the students at the satellite campus be taught music by the high school music teachers 

Answer: Grade 7 and 8 students at the satellite campus would be taught music by elementary school teachers.


75. Question: This may create challenges for those families with children at two different school locations, some of whom may rely on older students to walk siblings or help them get on the bus etc. Any planning around this?

Answer: We appreciate that a satellite campus for intermediate students may be challenging for some families who rely on Grade 7 and 8 siblings for support. Busing would continue to be provided to those students who qualify for transportation to and from the main Sir Arthur Currie PS site. In addition, busing would be provided to and from the satellite campus for Grade 7 and 8 students.


76. Comment: As a retired (English as a Second Language) ESL teacher and volunteer at the Sir Frederick Banting SS  ESL program site, I am very disappointed and concerned about the possibility of losing that space to temporarily accommodate Grade 7 and 8 students at Sir Arthur Currie PS. If this change is approved, it will have a very negative impact on educational opportunities for adult ESL students in northwest London for the following reasons:
1) Proposed online learning is not appropriate for adult ESL learners, especially at the lower levels. They require daily assistance for learning listening and speaking skills and practice in conversation. Once a week meeting with a teacher is not enough.
2) Transportation to B. Davison School, the alternative site proposed for some students, is very difficult if not impossible coming from the northwest.
3) For many students childcare is absolutely necessary. Without it many students will not be able to continue their studies. Previously the Banting LINC Child Care program accommodated 32 children. There are not enough extra spaces at B. Davison SS to accommodate this many extra children.
4) Next year there will be an increased demand for ESL instruction due to higher immigration levels. The need to accommodate Grade 7 and 8 students is recognized, but education of ESL students is a necessary step to provide educated workers for skilled jobs that remain unfilled.

Response: Recognizing that in-person learning is more appropriate for some learners, TVDSB is exploring alternatives and site expansion at other locations, including access to child care where possible.  In the meantime, it is important to note that TVDSB is currently offering 25 successful ESL classes online. TVDSB is also looking into securing leased space to resume in-person instruction in September.


77. Question: What is the reason to consider sending students from Sir Arthur Currie PS to University Heights PS; exceeding its capacity? Strongly oppose the option. This risks the health of children. Even consideration of such an option demonstrates the lack of adequate groundwork before proposing such option in the background of an ongoing pandemic.

Answer: Many of our schools in this area of London are either approaching or are over their intended capacities due to development activity and migration to this part of the City. 

School board administration has evaluated a number of schools for their potential to accommodate students from northwest London based on their proximity, capacity and available pupil places, site layout and configuration, transportation considerations as well as program and amenity spaces. 

Two options have been proposed for temporarily accommodating new families moving into the Sir Arthur Currie PS attendance area: one that includes a proximal school (University Heights PS) as well as a school that has more surplus space but is located further away from the attendance area (Knollwood Park PS). These options are temporary as the permanent student accommodation solution for this area of the city is a new school that has been approved by the Ministry of Education.


78. Comment: University Heights PS is at 91 per cent capacity and Knollwood PS is at 53 percent. Makes no sense whatever to have students go to University Heights PS when the other school is more equipped to handle the extra students. If you look at Google maps to highlight the logistical nightmare and safety concerns this brings to University Heights PS. Not to mention the dangerous left hand turn onto Sarnia Road. All busses will need to make when transporting students back and forth. Making schools overcrowded hurts everyone. 

Response: Many of our schools in this area of London are either approaching or are over their intended capacities due to development activity and migration to this part of the City. Administration has evaluated a number of schools for their potential to accommodate students from northwest London based on their proximity, capacity and available pupil places, site layout and configuration, transportation considerations as well as program and amenity spaces. 

Two options have been proposed for temporarily accommodating new families moving into the Sir Arthur Currie PS attendance area: one that includes a proximal school (University Heights PS) as well as a school that has more surplus space but is located further away from the attendance area (Knollwood Park PS). These options are temporary as the permanent student accommodation solution for this area of the city is a new school that has been approved by the Ministry of Education.


79. Comment: Strongly oppose overcrowding and exceeding the capacity of University Heights PS by sending students from Sir Arthur Currie PS. Exceeding the capacity in terms of space and facility is certainly not a thoroughly thought out decision in my opinion as an infectious disease epidemiologist. Even the thought of this even being considered is utterly frustrating to say the least. Strongly oppose.

Response: Many of our schools in this area of London are either approaching or are over their intended capacities due to development activity and migration to this part of the City. Administration has evaluated a number of schools for their potential to accommodate students from northwest London based on their proximity, capacity and available pupil places, site layout and configuration, transportation considerations as well as program and amenity spaces. 

Two options have been proposed for temporarily accommodating new families moving into the Sir Arthur Currie PS attendance area: one that includes a proximal school (University Heights PS) as well as a school that has more surplus space but is located further away from the attendance area (Knollwood Park PS). These options are temporary as the permanent student accommodation solution for this area of the city is a new school that has been approved by the Ministry of Education.


80. Comment: With respect to the planned transfer of new students from Sir Arthur Currie PS to University Heights PS: I worry that University Heights, which is near capacity and has an issue with pick-up and drop-off already, is not prepared for a new influx of students, buses or cars. I believe Knollwood Park PS has said capacity and would welcome the addition.

Response: Many of our schools in this area of London are either approaching or are over their intended capacities due to development activity and migration to this part of the City. School board administration has evaluated a number of schools for their potential to accommodate students from northwest London based on their proximity, capacity and available pupil places, site layout and configuration, transportation considerations as well as program and amenity spaces. 

Two options have been proposed for temporarily accommodating new families moving into the Sir Arthur Currie PS attendance area: one that includes a proximal school (University Heights PS) as well as a school that has more surplus space but is located further away from the attendance area (Knollwood Park PS). These options are temporary as the permanent student accommodation solution for this area of the city is a new school that has been approved by the Ministry of Education.


81. Comment: I am concerned about the decision to add students from a different catchment area to University Heights PS as opposed to another school that is currently at a lower occupancy rate.

Response: Many of our schools in this area of London are either approaching or are over their intended capacities due to development activity and migration to this part of the City. School board administration has evaluated a number of schools for their potential to accommodate students from northwest London based on their proximity, capacity and available pupil places, site layout and configuration, transportation considerations as well as program and amenity spaces. 

Two options have been proposed for temporarily accommodating new families moving into the Sir Arthur Currie PS attendance area: one that includes a proximal school (University Heights PS) as well as a school that has more surplus space but is located further away from the attendance area (Knollwood Park PS). These options are temporary as the permanent student accommodation solution for this area of the city is a new school that has been approved by the Ministry of Education.


82. Comment: University Heights PS is currently at 91 per cent capacity. Knollwood Park PS is only at 53 per cent capacity. University Heights cannot accommodate an influx of new students. More students could mean many disruptions to our small community school including: 

  • the construction of portables at University Heights, with consequent disruption to the school grounds
  • increased bus and vehicle traffic into and out of University Heights PS, which has very limited road access, increasing potential safety hazards.

  • Increased pressure on common learning areas.

  • increased stress to all students and staff working with a greater number of students within a limited footprint.
 

Knollwood Park PS has much more under-utilized space within its existing building and could accommodate these new students without these added stresses and costs.

Response: Many of our schools in this area of London are either approaching or are over their intended capacities due to development activity and migration to this part of the City. School board administration has evaluated a number of schools for their potential to accommodate students from northwest London based on their proximity, capacity and available pupil places, site layout and configuration, transportation considerations as well as program and amenity spaces. 

Two options have been proposed for temporarily accommodating new families moving into the Sir Arthur Currie PS attendance area: one that includes a proximal school (University Heights PS) as well as a school that has more surplus space but is located further away from the attendance area (Knollwood Park PS). These options are temporary as the permanent student accommodation solution for this area of the city is a new school that has been approved by the Ministry of Education.


83. Comment: Your plan for University Heights PS is just moving the problem from Sir Arthur Currie PS to another school. The quality of education at University Heights PS will go down with the extra students and strain on the staff. 

It is not able to handle more than 50 extra students at this point. Sir Arthur Currie PS has an over capacity problem. Knollwood Park PS is very much under-capacity and is able to handle the extra students. There is an easy solution to the problem here and it doesn’t involve University Heights. 


I invite you to come see the school and understand how this will not work. 

Response: Many of our schools in this area of London are either approaching or are over their intended capacities due to development activity and migration to this part of the City. School board administration has evaluated a number of schools for their potential to accommodate students from northwest London based on their proximity, capacity and available pupil places, site layout and configuration, transportation considerations as well as program and amenity spaces. 

Two options have been proposed for temporarily accommodating new families moving into the Sir Arthur Currie PS attendance area: one that includes a proximal school (University Heights PS) as well as a school that has more surplus space but is located further away from the attendance area (Knollwood Park PS). These options are temporary as the permanent student accommodation solution for this area of the City is a new school that has been approved by the Ministry of Education.


84. Question: I am a parent of three young girls and my oldest just started Junior Kindergarten at University Heights PS. It has recently come to my attention that one of the proposed solutions of the capacity issue at Sir Arthur Currie PS is to send all new registrations to University Heights PS starting in 2022, close to 300 students. I am reaching out to you in regards to road safety and public health concerns around this proposal. 

University Heights is a small school tucked in a corner of University Heights neighborhood with limited space and limited access. The school has a high overall rating and I am concerned my children's education opportunities and experience will be impacted if this option is pursued.



Here are my concerns:



1. Safety and well-being of students and staff is extremely important to me. The roads surrounding the school are narrow, there is excessive traffic, and limited sidewalks for pedestrians, no speed bumps, limited signage, and no roundabout to make drop off and pick-up easier. We are still waiting for the City of London to install a pedestrian crossing. Children are in danger everyday as cars speed up and down Coombs Ave. A fellow parent has already raised this concern with the city.

2. Increased student population inside the building putting the students and staff at increased risk by them not being able to maintain new covid safety procedures properly.



3. Sending Sir Arthur Currie students to University Heights is transferring Sir Arthur Currie’s capacity problem onto University Heights families and staff. There already exists constraints at 91 per cent capacity. Limited parking is available; Covid-19 is already limiting library and gym opportunities; portables would be required (cutting back on greenspace for students to play outside, the gym would have to be expanded creating construction (another hazard for staff, students and parents). 

I invite you to come see for yourself. In addition, many international students will be back next year to Western University and their children will be attending our school. This will take us to capacity if not over. This will forever change University Heights and it does not have the capacity or the parking to expand where Knollwood Public School does.




Knollwood Public School is the best solution. They are at 53 per cent capacity and University Heights is 91 per cent. Knollwood would not be limiting opportunities to students or putting anyone at risk. No portables would be required and everyone could fit within the building.

What additional costs would there be associated with sending students to Knollwood? If we had additional 300 students at University Heights that brings capacity to 160 per cent, our tax dollars would be spent on additional portables at close to $100,000 a piece. Would we be paying close to $1,000,000 extra to make it work at University Heights? I am extremely concerned and we appreciate your support regarding this important decision.


Answer: Many of our schools in northwest London are either approaching or are over their intended capacities due to the development activity and migration to this area of London. School board administration has evaluated a number of schools for their potential to accommodate students from northwest London based on their proximity, capacity and available pupil places, site layout and configuration, transportation considerations as well as program and amenity spaces. 

Two options have been proposed for temporarily accommodating new families moving into the Sir Arthur Currie PS attendance area: one that includes a proximal school (University Heights PS) as well as a school that has more surplus space but is located further away from the attendance area (Knollwood Park PS). These options are temporary as the permanent student accommodation solution for this area of the city is a new school that has been approved by the Ministry of Education. Your feedback regarding University Heights is appreciated.


85. Comment: This entire process is extremely frustrating for parents and is an example of poor planning by the taxpayer-funded school board. The overpopulation being experienced at Sir Arthur Currie PS is a direct result of key players not taking ownership and trying to pass this off as a result of “unprecedented growth.” I was involved as a parent when the school was being planned, and it was expressed multiple times and acknowledged by the TVDSB that the school was not large enough based on the number of lots slated to be built. 

We were told that the planning only takes into account the accommodation review, which was out of date before the school was designed. The board could see how quickly the area was growing, yet they chose to ignore the problem. This school was overcapacity before it even opened its doors. Sir Arthur Currie PS was even designed with expansion in mind; however, nothing has been said about that.



We are extremely fortunate that our youngest will graduate out of Sir Arthur Currie PS this year. I can only imagine how disappointing and frustrating it would be if I had one child being shipped off to Sir Frederick Banting SS for Grade 7/8 with another child in primary/junior. Many parents (myself included) were specific in choosing this neighborhood so our kids could attend school together, and many parents depend on an older sibling to help walk the younger one to school, or after-school care. This will no longer be possible as the board will be splitting these families up...which is inexcusable. 

I frankly can't believe that the board is actually considering making the school a JK-6 and making students already attending Sir Arthur Currie PS leave.In addition to figuring out how to solve this mess, the board should also be apologizing to the parents, while also detailing the corrective action plan so this doesn't happen again.

All of the original TVDSB stakeholders (most of whom are still involved) knew about this issue from the get-go. Going from a planned 500 kids to over 1,000 kids in less than four years and calling it unexpected growth is both laughable and false.

Response: Enrolment growth is influenced by a number of factors, including new development as well as new pupils from the existing community as a result of in-migration and changing demographics. TVDSB submitted a business case to the Ministry of Education for a second school in this part of the city in 2019, recognizing the growth that was anticipated at Sir Arthur Currie PS. 

The fully renovated satellite campus for Grade 7 and 8 students at Sir Frederick Banting SS is part of an interim accommodation solution at Sir Arthur Currie that would assist with managing enrolment at a school that was designed to accommodate 533 students but is currently accommodating 995. Attending a satellite campus on the Banting site would offer considerable benefits to Grade 7 and 8 students as they prepare to transition to secondary school in Grade 9. 

The Banting site has extensive outdoor space, including a large field in close proximity to the planned Sir Arthur Currie satellite campus.  Banting currently has three gymnasiums. A gym at Banting will be used by Sir Arthur Currie students for indoor Physical Education. Banting also has a newly renovated Library Learning Commons. Grade 7 and 8 students from the Sir Arthur Currie satellite school would have scheduled and ongoing access to this space. There may also be opportunities for collaboration in music with classes at Banting if COVID-19 restrictions are lifted.


86. Comment: As an adult studying, I add my voice for the Banting Annex adult ESL program and all students there. We need to attend in-person. It is very necessary for us as immigrants. We need to learn and listen to our teachers closely in order to understand the language because it is a second language and we find it so difficult to understand it even in-person. How will it be online? It will be trouble and boring, We think online school will not benefit us to help our children if them need help or to read stories for them at night. All of us believe teaching adults is not easy, so please take our request into consideration.

Response: We certainly understand what a difficult transition this will be for some of our English language learners. Understandably, a shift to online learning is not preferred for all learners. We have added an additional class at B. Davison SS and are working to free up a daycare spots at that site to accommodate those who require child care. TVDSB is also adding space at GA Wheable Adult and Continuing Education School. In addition, we will have onsite support every Wednesday evening at Sir Frederick Banting SS from 4 p.m. to 7 p.m. to support online learners who require a regular in-person check-in with the teacher.

As we look ahead to September 2022, we are exploring the option of renting space near Banting to resume in-person instruction in that area; however, obtaining such space is difficult.

The team at Adult ESL will assist you in selecting a program that will best meet your needs given these circumstances.


87. Comment: I feel that the school is way overcrowded and there are so many kids in my children’s classes that they don’t get much attention; especially my Kindergarten child. My Grade 4 child has 28 kids in one class. This is ridiculous, too. We were in a Catholic school before we moved here and I do see the difference in class size and teaching.

Response: We are working to provide relief from enrolment pressure at Sir Arthur Currie PS. TVDSB has received approval from the Ministry of Education to construct an 802-pupil elementary school in northwest London. Once land is acquired, it is expected that the process to design and build the school will take approximately 42-48 months. Enrolment in this part of our district is significant. Sir Arthur Currie PS was designed for 533 students and is currently accommodating 995 pupils, with enrolment growth projected to continue. As a result, school board administration has assembled a number of interim accommodation options for Trustees’ consideration until such a time that the new school opens.

These options include having new families in the Sir Arthur Currie PS attendance area attend an alternate school until such a time that the new northwest London elementary school is open. Given the current enrolment level of Sir Arthur Currie PS, and the need to allow younger siblings of existing students to register at the school, the establishment of a fully renovated satellite campus for Grade 7 and 8 Sir Arthur Currie PS students is also proposed as part of this process.


88. Comment: University Heights PS is already at its capacity. We as parents do not approve the idea of having more students at UH. This will surely put a lot of pressure on the limited resources that are available for children at school! Plus, it will be too overcrowded within a small space. Given pandemic concerns, I highly disapprove the idea as a parent!

Response: Many of our schools in this area of London are either approaching or are over their intended capacities due to development activity and migration to this part of the city. School board administration has evaluated a number of schools for their potential to accommodate students from northwest London based on their proximity, capacity and available pupil places, site layout and configuration, transportation considerations as well as program and amenity spaces. 

Two options have been proposed for temporarily accommodating new families moving into the Sir Arthur Currie PS attendance area: one that includes a proximal school (University Heights PS) as well as a school that has more surplus space but is located further away from the attendance area (Knollwood Park PS). These options are temporary as the permanent student accommodation solution for this area of the city is a new school that has been approved by the Ministry of Education.


89. Question: There is no information on the Grade 7/8 future location at Sir Frederick Banting SS. Is the high school also at or near capacity? How will the 7/8 students share facilities like a gym or library if the high school is also near capacity?
Would any of the more northern schools be an option? Are there plans to build enough schools for future population growth knowing that the suburbs continue to sprawl in that direction? Can the board anticipate these needs for the future? Are there options of timetabling; looking at half-day schedules particularly for younger years or more open-ended options for later grades; or hybrid learning with 2.5 days online and 2.5 days in person? Would cohorting be an option due to, again, desperate times (despite the fact that these were foreseeable issues)?

Answer: Accommodating Grade 7 and 8 students from Sir Arthur Currie PS at an elementary school in close proximity to the attendance area has been explored. However, our schools in this area are either approaching or are over their capacity. The satellite campus is temporary as the permanent student accommodation solution for this area of the city is a new school that has already been approved by the Ministry of Education. 

TVDSB actively monitors enrolment across all of our schools in order to ensure sufficient spaces are available for our students. The development activity that is occurring in this part of London is significant. Should the enrolment growth substantiate the need for further capital investment, TVDSB will seek additional funding from the Ministry.

Grade 7 and 8 students would follow a regular timetable at the satellite campus, like all other English track elementary schools. The timetable would be the same as the main Sir Arthur Currie PS site. Please note that there are no plans to do cohorting or hybrid learning at this time.

Attending a satellite campus on the site of Sir Frederick Banting SS would offer considerable benefits to Grade 7 and 8 students as they prepare to transition to secondary school in Grade 9. The Sir Frederick Banting site has extensive outdoor space, including a large field in close proximity to the planned Sir Arthur Currie satellite school. Sir Frederick Banting SS currently has three gymnasiums. A gym at Banting will be used by Sir Arthur Currie PS students for indoor Physical Education. 

Banting also has a newly renovated Library Learning Commons. Grade 7 and 8 students from the Sir Arthur Currie satellite school would have scheduled and ongoing access to this space.  Resources from the Sir Arthur Currie Library would follow the students to the satellite school to ensure that there are appropriate books for students. 

Instruments from Sir Arthur Currie would follow students to the satellite site as well. There may also be opportunities for collaboration in music with classes at Banting if COVID-19 restrictions are lifted.

TVDSB is currently in the process of reviewing all attendance areas in the City of London, including for schools in the both the elementary and secondary panels. There are enrolment pressures across our secondary schools as well. Administration will be providing a report for Trustees’ consideration to address the enrolment pressure in the secondary panel in order to ensure that there are sufficient spaces across the city for all of our students.


90. Question: The Sir Arthur Currie PS overpopulation problem has been known by the Board and the SAC neigbourhood for at least five years. Families moving into that neighbourhood with, or planning school-aged children, should have considered this in their decision to move into the area. 

The Board and city have had the five years required to build a new school but have failed to plan, cooperate and work proactively. So student overflow needs to move to another location, which itself is unfortunate but now reality. Options presented include Banting (7/8), University Heights (K-6) and Knollwood (K-6). Knollwood is the obvious choice given the school is at roughly 50 per cent capacity and has ample facilities to accommodate the SAC overflow (empty classrooms, bus turnaround space, washrooms, etc.), while UH is at over 90 per cent capacity (and many years is at 100 per cent itself) with a single washroom, insufficient shared spaces for overflow students, inadequate physical space for portables) and an existing parking/traffic flow problem that would be worsened. 

Sending Grade 7/8 students to a high school, sharing library and gym facilities, meaning they will be inside the high school proper, is not as attractive as Knollwood, either. Banting has no current problem. UH has no current problem. SAC and Knollwood have complementary problems. If the TVDSB elects to send students to Banting and UH, the TVDSB had better do so only after declaring Knollwood a surplus building and closing that school. 

Knollwood is the only option. And as noted above, families in the SAC lost their right to express concern over a 10-minute bussing distance difference when they moved into an overpopulated school area in the first place. At this point, they get what is available –  and that is Knollwood.

Answer: Sir Arthur Currie PS was designed for 533 students and is currently accommodating 995 pupils. The new northwest London elementary school that has been approved by the Ministry of Education will take approximately 42-48 months to design and construct once a school site is secured. As such, a number of interim accommodation options have been prepared for Trustees’ consideration. 

These options include having new families who move to the area attend an alternate school until such a time that the new northwest London elementary school is opened, with University Heights PS or Knollwood Park PS being identified as possible schools to accommodate students. Please note that given the need to reduce the current enrolment level of Sir Arthur Currie PS and the need to allow younger siblings of existing students to register at the school, the establishment of a fully renovated satellite campus for Grade 7 and 8 students is also proposed as part of this process.


91. Comment: Just to inform you that I disagree with the idea of accommodating students from another school at University Heights PS. I have been talking with many parents, and all of them are very worried about that.

Response: Many of our schools in this area of London are either approaching or are over their intended capacities due to development activity and migration to this part of the City. School board administration has evaluated a number of schools for their potential to accommodate students from northwest London based on their proximity, capacity and available pupil places, site layout and configuration, transportation considerations as well as program and amenity spaces. 

Two options have been proposed for temporarily accommodating new families moving into the Sir Arthur Currie PS attendance area: one that includes a proximal school (University Heights PS) as well as a school that has more surplus space but is located further away from the attendance area (Knollwood Park PS). These options are temporary as the permanent student accommodation solution for this area of the city is a new school that has been approved by the Ministry of Education.


92. Comment: University Heights is sitting at 91 per cent capacity, and is a relatively small school. There is one bathroom, one small gym, and in general limited space for the kids there already, let alone more. One of the things that I loved about University Heights so much is that it's a small school, like a community, you get to know everyone, the teachers, kids, etc. The kids treasure our wonderful nature space outdoors, and because the school is already limited on space, with more kids, that would likely mean portables taking up that space. How is that fair? Adding more kids would mean higher class numbers, which means a lower teacher-to-student ratio, less learning support, more chaos in classrooms and more, which can be really challenging for students. Moreover, it is known that nearby schools such as Knollwood PS are at 50 per cent capacity and would be in a much better position to accept this overflow. If anything, this may help the school; having more kids means more opportunities for clubs, sports teams, resources, etc.

On the flip side, like my peers, the idea of having Grade 7/8 students at Sir Frederick Banting SS is not pleasing at all. High school has a totally different feel from elementary, and I feel it's important to differentiate them. In elementary school, you are growing, blossoming, and finding who you are. In high school, you are independent, social, and no longer getting 'babied'. I think it would also damper the exciting events at Banting for high school students to have younger students there or create an imbalance in fairness around who gets to participate in what. Also, how will these kids be represented when it comes to sports and clubs?

Response: The new northwest London elementary school will take approximately 42-48 months to design and construct once a school site is secured. As such, a number of interim accommodation options have been prepared for Trustees’ consideration. Given the need to reduce the current enrolment level of Sir Arthur Currie PS and the need to allow younger siblings of existing students to register at the school, the establishment of a fully renovated satellite campus for Grade 7 and 8 students is proposed as part of this process. The satellite campus would be separate from the secondary school and located in a separate building.  

Students will have a similar timetable as they would have had at Sir Arthur Currie, which will include library, gym and recess. Grade 7 and 8 students will have a dedicated play area at the satellite site for recess. The Grade 7 and 8 students will be on a different timetable than the Banting students. The only interaction that the Grade 7 and 8s may have with the Banting students will be when they access the Gym and Learning Commons at Banting under the supervision of their teachers. Students would continue to be able to participate in clubs and would play sports at Sir Arthur Currie PS or a school that is hosting them, as they currently do. There may also be opportunities to utilize the facilities available at Sir Frederick Banting SS.


93. Comment: As School Council Chair of John P. Robarts P.S., I am sending this comment on behalf of our SC and H&S groups at JPR. We are happy to be a part of the alternative plans to accommodate children and families from overcrowded North London schools and we would welcome them wholeheartedly. We understand that it is a long bus ride though. As parents, our only concern is where the school buses park and we would ask for a traffic study to be done. The bus loading zone sits across from street parking, and things get tight when the City transit bus tries to squeeze by. All of this happens at a 3-way stop that sees a lot of pedestrians. Other than that, we're good to go. Good luck with all of this.

Response: We have consulted with our partners at Student Transportation Services regarding the interim options under consideration for both Sir Arthur Currie PS and the holding zones. The parking lot at John P. Robarts can accommodate additional buses should it become necessary to do so. If more buses are added to the school site, the parking spaces will be reviewed in order to ensure that students do not need to travel between parked cars to access buses. This will be done concurrently with a review of a designated pick-up and drop-off area. Ensuring that we maintain the safety of our students, families and staff is of paramount priority.


94. Comment: I am a student at Banting Adult ESL Program. This school is very close to my house and my son’s school. I walk to school and can pick up my child after school because I do not drive and he has a disability. I tried learning online and find it very difficult. This is the only in- person Adult ESL school I can attend. I have many reasons to learn ESL: to live, work and get my citizenship. Please consider a better option for our community that will allow us to continue at Banting Annex.

Response: We certainly understand what a difficult transition this will be for some of our English language learners. Understandably, a shift to online learning is not preferred for all learners. We have added an additional class at B. Davison SS and are working to free up daycare spots at that site to accommodate those who require child care. TVDSB is also adding space at GA Wheable Adult and Continuing Education School. In addition, we will have onsite support every Wednesday evening at Sir Frederick Banting SS from 4 p.m. to 7 p.m. to support online learners who require a regular in-person check-in with the teacher.

As we look ahead to September 2022, we are exploring the option of renting space near Banting to resume in-person instruction in that area; however, obtaining such space is difficult.

The team at Adult ESL will assist you in selecting a program that will best meet your needs given these circumstances.


95. Question: If Sir Arthur Currie PS has an overcrowding issue, and Knollwood is at 51% capacity, this is a no brainer. I understand the 12 min difference in time, but SAC parents would see the same overcrowding problem at University Heights and won't receive a high level of quality education.
Would the SAC teachers be moved to the Knollwood? This would alleviate the "East end" stigma attached to this school. They will have a much better experience at Knollwood with the yard, gym and less overcrowding. I'm sure SAC parents don't want their kids coming to a school with one bathroom, a tiny gym and a serious traffic issue. Outdoor time will be limited as students will have to take turns. This is a problem for SAC parents, NOT UH parents, and the school board needs to think of the bottom line - our kids quality of education

Answer: A staffing process will be developed by the Human Resources team to determine which teachers will be moved to the school that receives additional students.


96. Comment: I want my three kids to be in Sir Arthur Currie PS please do not separate them due to capacity issues.

Response: The Ministry of Education approved a new 802-pupil place elementary school in northwest London. TVDSB is currently in the process of securing land for the new school. Once land is obtained, it will take approximately 42-48 months for the school to be opened. This timing includes design, the Ministry of Education’s capital approval process, municipal approvals and construction. In the interim, new families who move to the area are proposed to attend an alternate school until such a time that the new northwest London elementary school is opened. Given the current enrolment level of Sir Arthur Currie PS and the need to allow younger siblings of existing students to register at the school, Sir Arthur Currie is proposed to be restructured to a Kindergarten – Grade 6 facility with Grade 7 and 8 students attending a fully renovated satellite campus on the site of Sir Frederick Banting SS. 


97. Comment: I want to provide my input on how badly a new school is needed in NW London. We moved to this area when my son was in grade 8 and it was surprising to know that he could not get into Sir Arthur Currie due to capacity issues. Instead, he had to attend Ryerson P.S. This is not a very comfortable option for parents who need to take care of their kids' drop off and pick up from far off locations. A new school would definitely be a breeze for the existing families in the area and many more that are still moving in.

Response: TVDSB has received approval from the Ministry of Education to construct an 802-pupil elementary school in northwest London. Once land is acquired, it is expected that the process to design and build the school will take approximately 42-48 months, including approvals required by the Ministry. Administration has assembled a number of options for Trustees’ consideration in the interim, given the enrolment projections for this area. 

These options include having new families who move to the area attend an alternate school until such a time that the new northwest London elementary school is open. Given the current enrolment level of Sir Arthur Currie PS, and the need to allow younger siblings of existing students to register at the school, the establishment of a fully renovated satellite campus for Grade 7 and 8 students at Sir Frederick Banting SS is also proposed as part of this process. Busing to the satellite campus will be provided.


98. Comment: Temporarily shift kids to nearby schools next year or two, and build at third (or fourth) story to the existing schools that are beyond capacity over the next couple years.No extra land use, no new zoning; minimal engineering changes for renovations; cheaper than all new schools we aren't given land for anyway. Japanese elementary and high schools are always at least three stories, with a safe, very-high-fenced recreational/garden outdoor space for students to enjoy on the entire rooftop; no reason we can't do that here. 



This is a crisis, and many schools in TVDSB are beyond their intended capacity, and one new building for another 500 students is not going to solve it at all long-term. Renovations are very possible and expedient relative to new builds. We renovate houses in mere months – we can build schools up in a year or two, if government actually wants to solve the problem.

Response: The Ministry of Education approved a new 802 pupil place elementary school in order to accommodate students in northwest London. Unfortunately, submitting a new proposal at this time would significantly delay the addition of much needed student accommodations in this part of the district. We appreciate your innovative suggestion.


99. Comment: As a parent of children attending University Height Public School., I am concerned about the preferred option of sending students from Sir Arthur Currie Public School to our school. I think it is not practical as UH is almost at full capacity and there is an alternative option – Knollwood Public School – which is running at 51 per cent capacity. Why should we cram students in one small place (even temporarily) when we have another school that could accommodate and serve them better?

I understand a concern is the bus travel time, but as a parent I would rather have my children bussed a little farther to a place where they can be comfortable and learn without stress than a shorter trip to a overcrowded school. The difference in distance is about 3 km. Google Maps indicates a distance of 9 km from Sir Arthur Carrie to UH, and 12 km from Sir Arthur Carrie to Knollwood. 

Overcrowded places are not conducive to learning. University Heights is a small school, just has one bathroom, a small gym, one small basketball court, and a small playground. If portable classrooms are set up, the basketball court will be taken over and kids will not have a place to play. With the reduced playing space, probably children will need to take turns to go outside, reducing their outdoor recreation time, which a recent research publication has already found to be a neglected issue in schools (https://www.cbc.ca/radio/sunday/the-sunday-magazine-for-october-17-2021-1.6212978/recess-is-serious-business-and-it-s-getting-neglected-in-the-pandemic-researcher-says-1.6218349).

Also, the purchase and maintenance of portable rooms will cost the Board an unnecessary amount of tax dollars. 

In addition to the stress on students trying to learn in a crowded place, there is the issue of traffic. The location of UH would increase the already messy traffic in the area immediately surrounding the school. The parking lot for teachers is already at full capacity so new teachers will probably have issues to find parking. This, added to the fact that UH is next to Community Living, which also needs space for parking and for accessible vehicles to serve their clients, who usually arrive about at the same time as UH students and traffic in that small area is already chaotic.



I think the Board should consider all these factors when making their decision. If there is a school that has extra room to accommodate Sir Arthur Currie's students, the wisest choice should be to send them there instead of struggling to accommodate these children in a small school that is almost at full capacity. It will indeed imply a longer bus trip but the benefits of having more space, less stress, and less expenditure outweighs the inconvenience of travelling a longer distance.


100. Comment: I am writing about the proposed use of University Heights Public School to accommodate students from Sir Arthur Currie Public School, which is over capacity. I understand that one option being considered is the use of Knollwood Park Public School as an alternative to University Heights.
 
As resident of Ford Crescent, I strongly urge that the Knollwood School be used, as I understand that it has the capacity to serve this need. I object to the unnecessary disruption of the University Heights neighbourhood that this choice would cause. The additional traffic would increase the difficulty that I already experience with the existing traffic twice daily with the drop-off and pickup of children. Getting in and out of Ford Crescent, including into and out of my driveway is tolerable now only because of the limited parking that is currently permitted. Please do not add to the stress of the current situation.


101. Comment: As a long time resident of Ford Crescent I can safely say that University Heights Public School's current capacity sits at 91 per cent and already the traffic and safety have become a more obvious concern in the area. More importantly however, is the quality of education as per size of the classes and available teachers. In short, it makes no rational sense to push the school's current capacity of 91 per cent up to 160 per cent as that is the very situation that is faced by those currently attending Sir Arthur Currie Public School – overcrowded classrooms that needlessly challenge and impose unnecessary limitations on both students and teachers.



If one is truly concerned about the overall quality of education then there is no clearer answer to the dilemma currently facing the TVDSB as Knollwood Public School  provides the greater benefits in terms of security comfort and familiarity within the educative relationship that produces a more wholesome, genuine, and interactive atmosphere that is conducive to the well-being of both teachers and students.



I could speak to the whole matter of traffic and safety issues and the limited access/egress points provided by the Sarnia Road/Coombs Avenue and the Platts Lane/Trott Drive problems, as well as the lack of adequate bathroom facilities within University Heights itself and of course the lesser known traffic and safety problems that accrue due to the large numbers of UWO students in the area with their vehicles that often line the streets.  But I sincerely believe that any reasonable person(s) truly concerned with the overall health safety and education of the young minds involved in this matter are truly better served by all of the benefits supplied in obvious abundance at Knollwod Public School which sits at a comfortable 51 per cent  capacity.



In closing, longer bus trips to and from school to home should not take precedence over the long term goal in providing the best educative environment possible that brings to each and every student the necessary space and comfort to grow in body mind and spirit which is both the hallmark and touchstone for furthering continued excellence and personal achievement in their formative years and beyond.


102. Comment: I am vehemently opposed to the solution to the overcrowding at Sir Arthur Currie Public School to be the overcrowding University Heights Public School. While I sympathize with how challenging the situation is, and want to ensure that all students have their educational needs met, I do not believe that will occur by moving the overflow of SAC students to UH. The infrastructure of this small neighbourhood school is in no way capable of absorbing this significant increase in students. The building has only one washroom for each gender, classrooms are close to capacity, and even the gym and library are not of a size to accommodate such an influx.

Additionally, the very small roadway and shared driveway in and out of the school is definitely not capable of safely handling such an increase in traffic. Due to family in work circumstances, I must currently drive and pick up my daughter from school at UH every day. To say that the vehicular traffic is complicated, messy and unsafe is an understatement – and this is also while there is a significant suspension in programming at Community Living London.



I also worry that the increase in students is not being accurately reflected in the analysis of UH's population as it has slightly decreased due to the inability of international students and postdoctoral scholars to travel to Western. I work at one of the institutes at the Western University's Ivey business school and we currently have three vacant positions for postdoc scholars who normally would join us in London from international destinations, often with families in tow and who access the Platts Lane housing complex that feeds into UH. I can't imagine the vacancy of positions across the university if we have three alone in our small corner.



Knollwood Park is the obvious and logical solution. The small extension in bus travel for SAC students would not only result in there being no overcrowding at Knollwood Park but, perhaps, a vibrant injection of pupils into the student body. It could revitalize a school that has been in slow decline. Regarding the bus timing, my niece currently travels from northwest London to Pearson and spends close to two hours on the bus each day. An extension of 12 minutes is insignificant in the face of what other city and rural students have as a part of their educational routine.



I sincerely hope you will not compromise the education and safety of all students by sending SAC students to UH when a viable, effective and vibrant solution is available at Knollwood Park.


103. Comment:  The option that Sir Arthur Currie Public School's Parent/School Council should be considered above the administration option of the "satellite campus" at Sir Frederick Banting SS  for Grade 7 and 8 students. Parents should have been consulted earlier in this process (instead of after a rendering of the "satellite campus" was released). Keeping the school as a Kindergarten to Grade 8  school is what is best and the resources spent on renovating the separate building at Banting can be better spent at schools that need it.

The option of holding zone students at University Heights should be dropped, as many parents have highlighted limitations such as impact on neighbouring Community Living programming and the future enrolment of children from Western students (that has stagnated due to COVID).


104. Question:  Will Full Remote Learning be offered during these times of holding zones and satellite schools? I'm not comfortable with my Grade 7 child's safety at a satellite elementary school within a high school. If not, how are you going to maintain a safe environment for elementary children in the same setting as high school students?

Answer: The new satellite campus at Sir Frederick Banting SS for Grade 7 and 8 Sir Arthur Currie PS students is part of an interim accommodation solution being proposed for northwest London and is separate from the larger attendance area review that is being considered across the City.

In northwest London, new families who move to the area are proposed to attend an alternate school until such a time that the new northwest London elementary school is opened. Given the current enrolment level of Sir Arthur Currie PS and the need to allow younger siblings of existing students to register at the school, Sir Arthur Currie is proposed to be restructured to a Kindergarten-Grade 6 facility with Grade 7 and 8 students attending a fully renovated satellite campus in a separate building on the site of Sir Frederick Banting SS. Start and end times will be the same for the satellite and the main Sir Arthur Currie PS sites.

Students will have a similar timetable as they would have had at Sir Arthur Currie, which will include library, gym and recess. Grade 7 and 8 students will have a dedicated play area at the satellite site for recess. The Grade 7 and 8 students will be on a different timetable than the Banting students.

The only interaction that the Grade 7 and 8s may have with the Banting students will be when they access the Gym and Learning Commons at Banting under the supervision of their teachers.


105. Question: Can you provide the community, in writing, your plan to almost double our capacity with students and add portables to University Heights Public School. Can you please include a plan for additional bus parking, on-site parking per classroom, gym time per student, library time per student and proper washrooms per student? Are you actually and truly prepared to add portables to UH?

Answer: Administration has evaluated a number of schools for their potential to accommodate students from northwest London based on their proximity, capacity and available pupil places, site layout and configuration, transportation considerations as well as program and amenity spaces. Two options have been proposed for temporarily accommodating new families moving into the Sir Arthur Currie PS attendance area: one that includes a proximal school (University Heights PS) as well as a school that has more surplus space but is located further away from the attendance area (Knollwood Park PS). The permanent student accommodation solution for this area of the City is a new school that has been approved by the Ministry of Education. Should University Heights PS be chosen as the school to provide interim accommodation for students, the placement of portables will be done in a way to minimize disruption to the layout of the site. Appropriate washrooms will also be available and the students will be timetabled in order to ensure access to the library and gym.


Question 106: What are the implications of maintaining Sir Arthur Currie PS as a Kindergarten – Grade 8 school based on the sibling survey results, assuming all new families to the area attend an alternate school until the new northwest London elementary school opens? 

Answer: Based on the sibling survey results, enrolment at Sir Arthur Currie PS would require no more than 17 portables with the provision that Full Remote Learning Students would be permitted to return to in-person learning at the school when grade 8 students graduate and space becomes available. This additional accommodation option will be presented to Trustees at the November 23, 2021 Board meeting.


Question 107: How many of the students at University Heights PS are in Full Remote Learning and are they included in the enrolment projections for the school?

Answer: There are 39 University Heights students in Full Remote Learning. These students are included in the projections for the school.


Question 108: What are the driving times to Wilfrid Jury PS from the Fox Hollow West and Sunningdale North holding zones? 

Answer: Student Transportation Services has advised that the driving time is approximately 20 minutes from each holding zone.


Question 109: What would be the utilization of Wilfrid Jury PS with the addition of new families from the Fox Hollow West and Sunningdale North holding zones? 

Answer: Wilfrid Jury would have an approximate utilization of 129%.


Question 110: Was there consideration given to having other grade cohorts attend the satellite campus (rather than grade 7 and 8 students, as proposed)? 

Answer: This was considered. However, the reason that grade 7 and 8 students are recommended to move is due to their subsequent transition to secondary school. Utilizing Sir Frederick Banting Secondary School’s amenities would be best suited for older students, who would have ongoing access to the school’s gym, Library Learning Commons and outdoor amenities.


Question 111: How many portables would be required at the main campus of Sir Arthur Currie PS in the 2022-2023 school year if the grade 7 and 8 students attend a satellite campus and new families attend an alternate school?

Answer: Approximately 12 portables would be required.


Question 112: We would be a new family to the Sir Arthur Currie PS area in September with children in Grades 2, 5, and 7.  Will the Grade 7 and 8 students at Sir Frederick Banting SS have dedicated washrooms/gym changing facilities separate from the high school students? How will the recess area for the Grade 7 and 8 students be separated? Will there be a bus/parent pick up and drop off area also dedicated just to the Grade 7 and 8 students?

Answer: The students would have dedicated washrooms at the satellite site separate from the secondary school students. If students are required to change for gym, they would use the changing facilities attached to the gym at Banting.
The Grade 7 and 8 students would have a dedicated recess area at the satellite campus separate from the secondary school as well as separate drop-off and pick-up areas.


Question 113: Please suggest if remote learners at Sir Arthur Currie PS for the current school year will be allowed to return to school in person in Fall 2022.

Answer: On November 23, 2021, TVDSB Trustees passed the following motion regarding Full Remote Learners at Sir Arthur Currie PS: That Sir Arthur Currie PS remain a Kindergarten-Grade 8 school, siblings of existing students attend Sir Arthur Currie PS, current full remote learners wishing to return be assessed on a case-by-case basis to determine if the school can accommodate the student. If space is currently unavailable, they will be allowed to return for the 2022-23 school year.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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